Hypnosis interview of female witness, Beverly Hills

FD-302 (Rev. 11-27-70)

FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION

1 Date of transcription 11/8/76

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On the evening of November 3, 1976, [REDACTED] [REDACTED] California, was trans- ported from her residence to the medical offices of [REDACTED] Beverly Hills, California, by SA [REDACTED] was intro- duced to SA [REDACTED] She was apprised by SA [REDACTED] that the purpose of this interview was to attempt, through the use of hypnosis, to enable her to recall in specific detail a conversation she previously indicated she overheard on August 3, 1976.

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[REDACTED] stated she would willingly cooperate and would voluntarily consent to being hypnotized by [REDACTED] [REDACTED] in an effort to recall additional details regarding a conversation she believes concerned a crime under investi- gation by the FBI.

She signed a handwritten document indicating she would voluntarily consent to interview after being placed under hypnosis by [REDACTED]

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She related as follows:

On August 3, 1976, she had taken an elderly couple, [REDACTED] to a doctor's office in North Hollywood, California. After this appointment, the three of them decided they would have lunch in the area and just prior to 11:00 a.m. they stopped at Smokey Joe's Restaurant at Riverside Drive and Coldwater Canyon in North Hollywood. Upon entering the restaurant, they were shown to a booth by a [REDACTED] Shortly after they were seated, a man and woman entered and were seated in the adjacent booth. A few moments after the couple was seated, a lone male joined them and seated himself in a position so he was back to back to [REDACTED] only several inches away from her.

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Interviewed on 11/3/76 at Beverly Hills, California Los Angeles 164-497-369 File # by SA [REDACTED] and SA [REDACTED] crs/njs Date dictated 11/5/76

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DB Cooper-25450 GPO : 1975 O - 566-118

2 LA 164-497 [REDACTED]

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[REDACTED] stated the female was a Caucasian with short cut brown hair wearing a white blouse, blue jeans, neat appearing, and about [REDACTED] years old.

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She described the lone male as a Caucasian, 6 feet tall, 160 pounds, slender build, light complexion, [REDACTED] years old, with medium cut brown hair. She stated the man had a small bushy mustache, did not wear glasses and had no noticeable [REDACTED]. He was clean shaven and neat appearing. He wore a sweat shirt with white and blue horizontal stripes with the white stripes being wider than the blue.

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She furnished no description of the male who had accompanied the female other than he appeared about the same age as his two companions.

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[REDACTED] stated she first became attracted to the conversation in the adjacent booth when she heard the female ask the lone male about a person named [REDACTED] who seemed to be a former close associate of the three persons. The lone male, in responding to her question regarding [REDACTED] made reference to a time when there had been a "whole raft of hijackings" and stated at this time [REDACTED] was working, either with or for, the lone male. [REDACTED] had spoken about these hijackings with the lone male and told him how he would hijack an airplane successfully. [REDACTED] had spoken of demanding four or five parachutes and holding hostages, however, [REDACTED] could recall no mention being made of any ransom demand. She did recall [REDACTED] expertise in skydiving being discussed and the comment made that he could "land on a dime". The lone male stated that [REDACTED] had left his employment in his Land Rover about four or five days prior to the hijacking and returned about five days after the hijacking had occurred. [REDACTED] had returned and then left and went to some unknown location where he went into business by himself. She also specifically recalls the lone male stating the statute of limitations would soon run on the crime [REDACTED] had committed.

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DB Cooper-25451

3 LA 164-497 [REDACTED]

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[REDACTED] could recall no names of any persons, other then [REDACTED] as having been mentioned and stated she could recall no mention being made of the nature of the work of the three persons involved in the conversation nor of the type of work which [REDACTED] and the lone male were involved in prior to [REDACTED] departure. She could recall no specific locations, cities of places, as having been mentioned in the conversation other than a reference made to "Northwestern" during the discussion.

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She continued stating she assumed from the portions of the conversation she overheard, which lasted about one-half hour, that none of the three persons had been in contact with [REDACTED] for a long time. Statements made by the lone male indicated [REDACTED] had made no admissions after the hijacking to him. The lone male had stated the way [REDACTED] had described he would commit the hijacking before leaving was just exactly the way the hijacking had been perpetrated and since [REDACTED] was an excellent skydiver, he believed he had committed the crime.

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[REDACTED] recalled that the [REDACTED] at Smokey Joe's who had waited on [REDACTED] and herself had also waited on the three persons in the adjacent booth. She recalled the persons in the adjacent booth had ordered only coffee. She described the [REDACTED] as a [REDACTED] female Caucasian, about [REDACTED] years old, and having [REDACTED] [REDACTED] She added this [REDACTED] had also taken the money at the cash register as they departed.

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DB Cooper-25452