Interview at Dallas re telephone calls from a NORJAK suspect

FD-302 (REV. 11-27-70)

FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION

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Date of transcription 3/1/76

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[REDACTED] Texas, was interviewed at his place of employment, Employers Casualty Company Building, at 423 South Akard, at which time he furnished the following information:

Following his discharge from military service he was still single and he worked for a period of six months for Kenworth Truck Manufacturing in Seattle, Washington. He [REDACTED] in the Seattle vicinity.

During the six months spent in Seattle, he became acquainted with [REDACTED] a white male, who was then about 45 years old. [REDACTED] [REDACTED] in a Seattle suburb called [REDACTED] He became friendly with the [REDACTED] and visited them in their home from time to time. As far as he [REDACTED] knows, [REDACTED] was a law-abiding citizen and [REDACTED] never knew [REDACTED] to be in trouble with the law or to have any criminal record.

After [REDACTED] left Seattle, he returned to Texas where he is from and went to work for Texas Technical University [REDACTED] in Lubbock, Texas. He worked there for about [REDACTED] and then moved to the Dallas area and took up residence in [REDACTED] where [REDACTED] Since returning to the Dallas area, he has worked doing [REDACTED] at One Main Place and in the Employers Casualty Company Building, his current employment.

Since leaving Seattle, he has never exchanged letters or cards with [REDACTED] and they have never even exchanged Christmas cards, nor have they called one another on the telephone. Then very shortly after January 1, 1976, [REDACTED] made a telephone call to [REDACTED] which is telephone number [REDACTED] received this telephone call and then put him on the line. Since the call was for him and [REDACTED]

[REDACTED] explained that he had gotten [REDACTED] telephone number through [REDACTED]

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Interviewed on 2/20/76 at Dallas, Texas File # Dallas 164-191 Seattle 164-81 by SA [REDACTED] Date dictated 2/25/76

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mentioned that [REDACTED] and [REDACTED]

When [REDACTED] got on the line and realized he was talking to [REDACTED] he was very much surprised to hear from [REDACTED] and he could tell that [REDACTED] had been drinking. [REDACTED] stated, to the best of his recollection, the conversation went something like this:

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[REDACTED] [REDACTED] [REDACTED] [REDACTED] [REDACTED] [REDACTED] [REDACTED] [REDACTED] [REDACTED] [REDACTED] [REDACTED] [REDACTED] [REDACTED] [REDACTED] [REDACTED] [REDACTED] [REDACTED] [REDACTED] [REDACTED] [REDACTED]

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[REDACTED] stated he was very much surprised and confused by receiving this telephone call from a man he had not seen at all or corresponded with for a period of fifteen years. He was very much surprised about the subject matter of the telephone conversation and had no idea whether [REDACTED] was drunk and was making an attempt to joke with him or whether there was any substance to what [REDACTED] was telling him.

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He discussed these circumstances at length with [REDACTED] but since [REDACTED] did not know how to accept this information and how to react to it. The following morning, he told [REDACTED] about the telephone call from Seattle and [REDACTED] suggested that he make the information available to the Dallas FBI Office just in case there might be something to it.

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[REDACTED] stated that [REDACTED] is of German background. He does not know if [REDACTED] had any military service. He does not know whether [REDACTED] can fly an airplane, nor does he know whether [REDACTED] has ever had any training in parachuting out of aircraft. [REDACTED] stated that actually, he has no way of knowing whether any of this conversation from [REDACTED] has any substance. He commented that [REDACTED] used to drink pretty regularly and in these fifteen years, it is possible that [REDACTED] has become an alcoholic. He does not recall [REDACTED] as being a practical joker.

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One night around 9:00 PM about three weeks ago, [REDACTED] again called the [REDACTED] residence and [REDACTED] answered the phone and informed him [REDACTED] that it was the same fellow calling from Seattle again. [REDACTED] got on the phone and, again, it seemed obvious to him that [REDACTED] had been drinking. This second conversation with [REDACTED] went something like this; to the best of his recollection:

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[REDACTED table/form — all content redacted under b6/b7C exemptions]

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[REDACTED] stated [REDACTED] then said something about calling again in two weeks or about being here (meaning Dallas) in two weeks. [REDACTED] repeated that if he were at home, he could be reached at his telephone number. At this point, [REDACTED] said goodnight.

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During this interview, [REDACTED] was shown the artist's conception of the unknown subject also known as DAN COOPER, who hijacked Northwest Airlines Flight 350 between Portland, Oregon, and Seattle, Washington, on November 24, 1971. [REDACTED] stated, "It's hard to believe how much the artist's conception of COOPER resembles [REDACTED] commented that the forehead, hairline and hair style very much resembles [REDACTED] expressed his opinion that the ears on the artist's conception of COOPER strike him as being larger than [REDACTED] ears and the nose appears to be different from [REDACTED] but [REDACTED] commented that it has been fifteen years since he saw [REDACTED] and his recollection may be faulty.

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[REDACTED] stated he believes he had discussed everything that had taken place between himself and [REDACTED] in the two telephone conversations.

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